# It’s the Friday Puzzle!

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One of my all time favourite geometry puzzles this week……

As ever, please do NOT post your answers, but do say if you think you have solved the puzzle and how long it took.Β  Solution on Monday.

I have produced an ebook containing 101 of the previous Friday Puzzles! It is called PUZZLED and is available for the Kindle (UK here and USA here) and on the iBookstore (UK here in the USA here). You can try 101 of the puzzles for free here.

## 85 comments on “It’s the Friday Puzzle!”

1. i think i have it, but i could be far off… 3 mins

2. Either this is easy, or I am hopelessly wrong, but I think I did it in a second…

• AMWhy says:

Ditto, although I’m sure I’m right. Only logical solution as “going the other way” was eliminated as an option because of the writing.

• AMWhy says:

I just looked again and I can see why you’d assume it was hard…. But it wasn’t.

• carrie says:

me too…

3. James Bannan says:

Yep – took about 1 second π I’ve seen something like this in a “magic” book when I was a kid.

4. Rob says:

Looks a lot easier than it probably is. Can’t immediately see how to try it in practice though.

• Rob says:

OK, brain-ache over. I get it now. Couple of min all told.

5. Did it fairly quickly. As soon as I finished the reading the paragraph I had an idea how to do it, and that worked.

6. Tony Lloyd says:

30 seconds, or so

7. Jeanine says:

I remember this stumped me in 5th grade, but i got it now π

8. Anonymous says:

What is a ‘perfect square’ as compraed to ordinary square. Also, yes I can. Half a min.

9. blub says:

10. Took me about 3 1/2 lines of text.

11. Omar says:

done – less than 30 sec

12. koldito@gmail.com says:

Are we restricted to Eucledian geometry?

13. Michael Sternberg says:

Sure; about a two minutes of trial and error with a drawing program β unless this is a trick question.

Will see if there is a strict geometrical construction.

• Michael Sternberg says:

Ahem, upon close verification of my vector drawing and a strict mathematical interpretation of the points I will have to retract my answer.

This puzzle is indeed more fiendish than it first appears.

14. dee says:

About 5 seconds, then a minute of “it can’t be that easy…”

• dee says:

That’s ignoring the fact that I can’t actually draw a straight line π

• Goliath says:

all of the above…

15. Strictly speaking the answer to the question posed is “yes I can”, which I hope isn’t considered a spoiler. This took me 2seconds based on the reasoning that you wouldn;t be asking if it wasn;t possible.

What? you want to know how? That’ll take a bit longer

• M says:

Haha… Would be fun if the answer to a puzzle should be “no, that is impossible”

• Michael Sternberg says:

M, yes it would be fun π

16. Anataboga says:

17. Criticalbounce says:

Piece of cake. Seconds.

18. Patrick Walsh says:

Yes – no problem – about 30 seconds

19. Raymond says:

A couple of minutes using a Vector graphics drawing program to confirm

20. Anonymous says:

I made it in second; then verified it in ~30seconds. I don’t see anything hard..

21. David D says:

I don’t get it. Either this is a trivially easy ‘puzzle’ (at least with the image viewed on an iphone) or I am missing something. Can someone help?

22. M says:

I did it using MSPaint! So in what way is this “not as easy as it may apear at first glance”?

• M says:

It would be harder if the image was tilted more or less

• Joe says:

Because it’s even easier!

23. rmb says:

Couple of minutes using tools in the ‘Draw’ toolbar.

24. Mark Searle says:

Either I’m missing something, or this is really easy and did it I’m about 2 seconds!

25. JohnPF says:

Less than a second to see the answer and then ten minutes of trying to convince myself that, yes, it really was as easy as that and, no, there isn’t some catch or trick that I was overlooking.

26. edgar_1975 says:

I think this is easier than it says on the text π

27. Kaggy says:

5s if it is what i think it is.

28. Steve Jones says:

I wonder if this has been reproduced quite right on the page. I downloaded it, printed it off and it took seconds to produce a square to a reasonable degree of accuracy.

I’m not quite sure what the wording means when it refers to a “perfect square”. Geometrically a square is a square; none is more perfect than any other. They all (at least in Euclidean space) have 90 degree corners and four equal length sides. It might also be called a regular quadrilateral. A perfect square is normally used to describe a number where the square root is an integer. I’m assuming there is not trickiness in this wording. Perhaps I’m reading too much into it and it’s just padding out the wording to fill the space available.

• Josh says:

Stop trying to sound like a friggin’ scientist man. Nobody cares what you have to say.

29. Anonymous says:

Less than a minute, just looking the picture.

30. Anonymous says:

5 seconds lol so easy

31. Hugh Janus says:

Solved it in 0.129399237920109399 seconds.

Rotate the box and it suddenly becomes obvious

32. Steve Jones says:

OK – after downloading the image as a JPEG and doing some much more careful geometry, this reveals something. However, you aren’t going to see this very easily on a small screen. There is also another problem – which Richard probably hasn’t allowed for. Almost all screens are not quite accurate in their height vs width ratios and introduce a degree of distortion. Unfortunately precision matters with this one.

I think I know the right answer now, but people might be forgiven for getting this one wrong.

33. Tsuyoiko says:

I had two answers before I’d finished reading the text. It is at least as easy as it appears.

34. Chrissie says:

Can’t understand why, each week, so many of you are so desperate to show off that you give away how to solve the puzzle in what you write. That is unless you are 13 year old boys Then I understand perfectly.

• steckabrag says:

how about a 15 years old girl.?
I think it’s just because the comments would be too boring if everyone just write how long they took to solve the problem, everyone likes to prove they are smart, no matter they are 13 or not.

The second reason is we want to help. I know how frustrating people who got stuck on the puzzle would feel when they saw other people( who rote comment) said they solve this puzzle in 3 second or things like that. Leaving some clue in the comment might be helpful for those who get stuck, at least they were helpful for me.

today’s puzzle is kind of tricky.

• Noel says:

I agree.

I find puzzles hard also.

When I find clues in comments it is great and I can think in other ways.

It helps the more simple minded people.

35. UXO says:

This is either fiendishly difficult, or so simple that I fail to see how it’s even a challenge. Solved instantly, while reading.

36. Steve Ulven says:

If I understood it correctly, I got it instantly. I guess we’ll find out Monday.

37. Physicalist says:

Got it quickly.

Now how do I get the ink off my computer screen?

38. James Ernst says:

Saw the solution instantly, then took 2 minutes to copy the image and draw it as a proof.

Are we missing something?

39. Ed says:

It does seem too easy, I must be wrong and have wasted 2 seconds.

40. kevin Holmes says:

Looks fairly easy but to be a perfect square each angle has to be 90′ so that means that each side is the same length. I’ve sketched the solution but you can’t be sure from the image printed above that each side is the same length.

• David says:

Rectangles have 90* corners so that doesn’t imply their sides are all the same length. However it does imply that each side is the same length as its parallel partner.

41. Match says:

That was ridiculously easy. How is this a puzzle?

• Steve Jones says:

possibly because it isn’t as ridiculously easy as people think? I rather suspect lots of people think they’ve solved it, when they haven’t. However, we’ll see on Monday.

42. ballookey says:

I haven’t seen this one before, but it took me just one or two seconds to solve. Seeing the comments above that it’s not as easy as it seems, and that folks might be finding false solutions, I took an extra 10 seconds to open the image in a Illustrator to make sure the square I was imagining was in fact “perfect”. Still works. Very easy.

43. Joe says:

What it says. Not as easy as it looks at first glance- it’s even easier! Got this one instantly.

44. Holden Caulfield says:

Did it by the time I got to the third line, I’m sure it can’t be that easy, can it?

45. Charlotte says:

Easy one this week! Took about ten seconds. Love your blog, thanks for making me think once a week!

46. skeeto says:

PNG version of the image that should print better,

• Michael Sternberg says:

Arial, really? π

47. Lazy T says:

Got it immediately, checked it in PSP, confused by the phrase ‘not as easy…’ and by the mickey mouse reference in the URL.

I can also draw a square and put a dot on each side but I don’t think that’s the q, tho it doesn’t say the required shape has to surround the text or include the dots around it.

48. soonerdvm says:

Well, the solution I came up with took me about 5 seconds. If I’m right, this is stupid easy.

• soonerdvm says:

And I came up with a second, also valid solution, after thinking about it just a minute or so.

Can’t wait to find out which solution was the correct one – the five second one or the 1 minute one.

49. Donnie says:

I think 13 seconds!

It took me much longer than most of the smart arses here! Probably nearer 5 minutes including returning to it.

51. Steve Jones says:

It’s worth pointing out that nobody who claims to have done this in a second – or even five – can possibly have performed the required geometric measurements. Just a thought…

• UXO says:

OK, fine – I solved it, CONCEPTUALLY, instantly. I then downloaded the PNG version and pulled it into a drafting program to illustrate that solution. No measuring was needed; there is a (small) range in which a family of solutions is possible and one can be identified through a (very) little trial and error. So, yeah, fine, a minute for a rigorous solution. Should I upload a solution?

• Michael Sternberg says:

UXO β By all means, please share, come Monday. Make sure you use sufficiently thin lines, bisecting the dots as clearly as possible, and verify the square’s geometry.

• UXO says:

Kind of pointless as of Monday, innit?

(And nobody said anything about “bisect”. The challenge reads “one dot ON each of its four sides”, and I freely admit my solution does not have each dot cleanly bisected – though each is definitely on a side.)

• Steve Jones says:

I’ve used the normal mathematical practices when we talk about dots and sides of squares (which are lines). Dots are zero-dimensional and lines single dimensional. Any real-world drawing of these does, of course, have to have real thickness or they’d be invisible. However, it’s the convention that the centre of lines & dots that matter.

I’ve generate my answer using geometry using co-ordinates (as closely as I can measure them) from the original JPEG using Photoshop and overlayed an answer which I’ll put up on my Flickr pages.

I realise that a strict mathematical sense is not always what these puzzles are about and it’s possible to produce trivially easy results by using thick lines and counting any dot which is at least partially crossed by the line as being on it.

52. Steve Jones says:

I downloaded to – and stuck it in Photoshop, did some careful measurements and came to and interesting solution. I’ll overlay the ping on the JPEG I downloaded. A lot depends on exactly how accurate that JPEG is.

• Michael Sternberg says:

I think we are on the same track. I did the math and sketched out the treatment. That took about an hour or two. My formula does have terms that depend on the difference of lengths, which sure is susceptible to errors (and leads to interesting math). However, given the magnitudes seen here, I am fairly convinced that I have the existence or non-existence π of a solution pinned.

The jpg snapshot does indeed suffer from some blur. I used the png that graciously posted.

• Michael Sternberg says:

PS: I meant to write “skeeto”, to give proper credit to him or her.

53. Steve Jones says:

Oops – grammar “I downloaded it too” and it’s a .png of course…

54. fluffy says:

Didn’t take very long but I also used an image editor that allowed me to arbitrarily scale and rotate a square.

55. Anonymous says:

One second…or am I missing something?!

56. FirstTimeCaller says:

Can I draw a perfect square? Probably not. Stymied already…

57. Anonymous says:

I think I have it – took me probably 1 second. Maybe I am missing something (though I don’t think so)…

58. Mickey D says:

Way too easy! One sec

59. Anonymous says:

its so easy.. it never says that the point will touch the vertex.. its says that the dots will touch the side..

• Steve Jones says:

It doesn’t say the dots will TOUCH the side. It says the square has “one dot ON each side”. In geometry, “on” is usually taken to mean the dot is centred on the side (or edge) – although point is usually preferred to dot. The vertex (or vertices) are not mentioned anywhere.

The verb touch is only used in respect of the sides not touching any of the words.

60. paintermain says:

Reblogged this on Thinking Cap and commented:
Amazing Puzzle!!! Lets make it a SATURDAY PUZZLE!!!! try it..