Well, yesterday was quite a day. As many of you may know, the James Randi Educational Foundation has a standing offer of $1 million to anyone who can prove that they have psychic or mediumistic abilities.
A few months ago the JREF asked if Chris French (Goldsmith University) and I would carry out an initial test of a medium named Patricia Putt. We went back and forth about the protocol, and eventually settled on an experimental design. Basically, Patricia would carry out readings for 10 strangers, and then all of the participants would be presented with all 10 readings and have
to select the one that best described them. To cut down on possible sensory cues, the strangers were not allowed to interact with Patricia, and asked to wear a graduation gown and facial mask.
Chris and his wonderful team (Panka Juhasz, James Munroe, Fabio Tartarini and Suzanne Barbieri) put in a huge amount of time sorting out the logistics of the experiment and making sure that it all ran smoothly on the day. Chris and Panka in particular worked especially hard on the project and so deserve the credit for makng it happen.
Patricia was a joy to work with, and carried out the readings as promised. I sat in the room with Patricia as she wrote her readings and sent the occasional twitter update .
None of the participants were able to correctly identify their reading, and so the results do not support Patricia’s claim. However, to her credit, she took it on the chin and said that she felt that the test had been a fair examination of her abilities.
More info about it all on Randi’s site here.
Oh well. Any thoughts?
May 7, 2009 at 1:08 am |
So did she agree that she probably wasn’t psychic?
May 7, 2009 at 4:35 am |
Did you offer her a book on cold-reading when she left?
It would be a nice touch.
I’m sure a lot of these people, at least those who agree to go through testing, genuinely believe in their ‘abilities’.
The result of test could be a good opportunity to show them that they may be good at ’something’, just not the thing they thought they were good at.
May 7, 2009 at 4:52 am |
This is the sort of test I would have liked to have seen on a certain TV show. Nevertheless, you will get complaints about how it was not a real test etc. But well done. Was it videoed?
May 7, 2009 at 7:19 am |
Being a professional Mentalist and bizarre magician, i am always interested in these claims. It is interesting that the test subject scored zero as i would have expected her to have got at least one or two using basic CR.
I agree that you will get complaints that this was not a fair test, the fact that the subjects agreed to the test seems to indicate that maybe she believes she has abilities. On my travels i have come across several psychics and a number seem sincere.
May 7, 2009 at 8:12 am |
Fantastic that she took it well.
I’ve heard of other examples that Randi has tested and which failed poorly and cannot help but wonder why these people to not test themselves before coming forward.
I would be interested to know how you “rehabilitate” a psychic. I mean, what are their beliefs on leaving, and how do they feel a year later? Can any of these people be recruited by JREF to help the mission? It would be fantastic to have a pool of such people (and JREF has tested over 1000, right?) who would be prepared to talk about why they believed what they did and how the JREF testing changed that (if at all!).
May 7, 2009 at 8:13 am |
Cold reading would be hard if the “psychic” wasn’t able to interact with the participants and she couldn’t see what they looked like.
Looks like the experiment was filmed, from the camera in the second picture.
May 7, 2009 at 8:56 am |
I am shocked! Shocked I tell you! Shocked and astounded that this woman failed. Shocked! No, I really am.
May 7, 2009 at 11:09 am |
This has made my day! Marvellous.
May 7, 2009 at 11:58 am |
That she got zero out of ten must mean that she has anti-psychic powers!
She can defy probability!
May 7, 2009 at 1:38 pm |
I predicted on Twitter that she would perform no better than chance. Does this mean that I am psychic?
I have also predicted that Man U will win the Premiership and that Southend would finish outside the play offs in League One. The latter has already come true.
If Man U win the prem am I eligible for testing?
May 7, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
Very few details as to what the “reading” was. Was it a health reading? A personality reading? Also consider few people see themselves as they actually are – that is what makes horoscopes so effective – they are so general people read into them the characteristics they want or think they have, when in reality others may see them quite differently then they see themselves. So actually I think this test reveals very little one way or the other.
May 7, 2009 at 9:25 pm |
If they all pick their reading essentially at random then each has a 90% probability of getting it wrong. For 10 of them to do that is 0.9 to the power 10 which is 0.35 or a 35% chance. So not beyond the realms of possiblity. If she came back for another go and still got 0/10 I’d start to get suspicious!
How were the volunteers selected? Was any kind of cross-check run on their possible bias or their ability to pick out their true ‘reading’ if such a thing can exist?
May 8, 2009 at 8:13 am |
Another one bites the dust. Despite many claims of psychic ability not one has proved they can do as they claim.
May 8, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
I once did a experiment ‘Are you telepathic?’ with a class of 30 children. One unusually hyperactive child with a ADHD diagnosis, matched correctly 8 out of the 10 symbols with mine and was highly delighted with himself.
As all good scientists do we repeated the experiment with the pupil outside the door of the classroom.
The head teacher who had previously decreed no children to be send out of class, came along the corridor and asked the child what he was doing there. The child then said enthusiastically, “Miss thinks I could be psychopathic!”
May 8, 2009 at 6:07 pm |
Doesn’t the Hawthorn(e) effect discount this negative finding? I mean, if the “artist” is getting skeptic-induced negative vibes, doesn’t that usually mean that the “spirits” won’t play ball, and by extension, make this experiment completely void? If this is true, as far as not allowing validation, how do we skeptics get around this?
May 8, 2009 at 10:36 pm |
to everyone saying the 0/10 score should be examined as a “negative” psychic ability… I think you are interpreting this wrong.
Here’s how I interpreted it:
Each participant had a 1 in 10 chance of picking the “correct” reading, so essentially the scores belong to each of the ten participants–not to the alleged psychic. The alleged psychic failed to “read” the participants in any kind of way recognizable by the participants, with no upper boundary to the amount of “not about the person in question” allowed.
You claiming that she should have statistically gotten at least some person’s reading “correct” implies that she was taking a multiple choice test about each person. She was not… think of it more as an essay exam with no prompt. There is no denominator in an expression of her chances of being “right”.
She had an undefined chance of being “right” about her subjects whereas the 10 participants had a 1 in 10 chance of picking the reading intended to be about them.
May 8, 2009 at 10:38 pm |
erk. Should have been… “with no upper boundary to the amount of “not about the person in question” *DEFINED*.
May 8, 2009 at 11:54 pm |
As Challenge Coordinator for the Australian Skeptics (Victorian branch) my only comment on the test procedure is that there is no mention of perfume or masking of any smell the subjects may have had.
Richard, thanks for publishing the book on testing psychics; I have now adopted your view that there may well be psychics out there (and we would love to find one), but the bad ones are giving the good ones a bad name.
I figure that treating psychic claimants with compassion does more for helping their understanding of scientific method, statistics, and the psychology behind delusions than dismissing them as ignorant would do.
May 9, 2009 at 12:16 am |
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May 12, 2009 at 5:19 pm |
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May 12, 2009 at 10:25 pm |
I don’t see why this sky gown was needed – for me it was a obvious “unnatural” thing she would claim to be the cause of the misreadings.
She claims in on of the articles to be able to read people throught the phone. So instead of putting all the black clothes, a more simple test would be putting the volunteers on a separate room with a telephone extension. Of course she would still claim something else – but it would be a less obvious reason and a more elegant test.
But I regret this kind of experiments because they polarize natural evolved human habilities – to be able to read someones else feelings by picking subtle cues on voice and facial expressions – as either being pshychic/paranormal or a fraud/lie.
A more useful tool would be to teach cold reading tricks to a general audience until it becomes a second nature, much in the same way we teach magic tricks. Both can be used for scams, but it’s way more effective (and fun) to turn them into entertainement than to try to “expose the fraud”.
May 13, 2009 at 9:42 am |
Mike G:
Unfortunately I think most of these people go on believing in their abilities no matter how many times the fail tests. However, here’s an interesting old article from a former psychic who saw the light of skepticism:
http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-05/new-age.html
May 13, 2009 at 9:42 am |
how many times they fail tests, I mean
May 13, 2009 at 6:04 pm |
As an interested consumer of data, there is so much more I’d like to see from this test:
1) there didn’t seem to be a “control” group or test. I wonder what the accuracy rate would be if the medium was able to meet with 10 random participants face to face (again, no non-prearranged communication from the medium to the participant) instead of having the participants shrouded. Another control possibility would be for a loved one of each of the 10 participants to write a blurb about them (restricted to phrases found in typical readings) and see if they can pick themselves out.
2) I’m also curious what the distribution of picked readings was. Did a majority of the 10 participants pick the same reading?
None of this has anything to do with proof of ESP, but it’s neat stuff!
May 25, 2009 at 3:56 pm |
I have been invited “in the interests of honesty” to reply to the Randi challenge that I undertook on the 6 May 2009.
My name is Patricia Putt and I have been working as a Medium for the past thirty-seven years. I was born with the Gift but never did anything about developing it till I was twenty-four and held my first big meeting at the age of twenty-eight.
Over the years that I have done this work numerous people have visited me both men and women over the ages of eighteen and covering all nationalities and Faiths. Never once have I had the words con artist or liar levelled at me, if I made a mistake in a Reading I would make sure that such an error was never made again. With this kind of thinking I work very hard at making my Readings accurate. I should also like to point out that neither am I a winger or a whiner, so when I decided to take up the Randi Challenge I did so with both eyes open knowing that the protocols would be completely one sided in favour of JREF, and so it was.
I willingly walked into the lion’s Den knowing it would be a long, difficult and very tiring day with apparently nothing to smile about at the finish. After my initial shock at the results when Professor French was showing them to me, on my journey home, I started to smile because a realisation began to dawn on me. Yes, the day had gone as the Randi Foundation had planned it with no girl i.e. no 8 picking on the message 8 but with hindsight I realised that every girl had accepted each and every message that I had written down not one had been discarded, not one thrown away each and every one of the ten girls had gone away with something to me this makes a total of 10 out of 10.
I also got the meet Professor French a man I had seen on TV and have great respect for, I also renewed my meeting with Professor Wiseman. As he remembered on seeing me that we had met in May 2000 at Hampton Court and through him I was invited on the Gloria Hunniford Show a couple of weeks later.
I am very well aware that scientists and Mediums are diametrically opposed but perhaps one day scientists will open up their field of vision a bit more and be prepared to work with people such as myself. Working together we could help society a great deal. I do understand it is difficult for intellectuals to view life as if it were a vast panoramic screen with surround sound instead a twenty inch monochrome screen with not even stereo sound. Those who are serious scholars must realise that since time immemorial as long as man has been on the earth people who do my work have had a place in society. If you look at the book of Judges 4:4.5 you will see there how a lady by the name of Deborah helped the Israelites – she was a Psychic with Girl Power many millenia ago.
I am now throwing down a gauntlet for Professors Wiseman and French,
let us try an experimental investigation. Take me somewhere I have never been to before, bring with you and Historian wire me up if you must and let us see what the outcome is. I feel that the honourable gentlemen might be surprised if they allow themselves to be.
I am equally aware that with the programmes we have on TV at present to those who don’t know better we must come over as a third rate Victorian Musical act, these programmes make me equally angry as they denigrate everything I stand for and believe in.
With my personality I don’t accept failure so I ahve informed Alison Smith of the JREF that I will be reapplying again next year, hopefully I will be accepted. In the meantime I wait to hear from Professors Wiseman and French.
May 25, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I keep hearing this statement “knowing that the protocols would be completely one sided in favour of JREF” or something similar like it from those that do not agree with his results. Can you explain why you feel that they are one-sided?
May 25, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Hi Patricia
Thanks for that. I am not quite sure what you mean re the results of the test, but obviously we asked the participants to choose the reading that best applied to them. Each participant chose the ‘wrong’ reading (ie one that was intended for another participant). It is difficult to understand how you can see this as counting as 10 out of 10. Re additional testing, the idea of taking you to a historical place etc is a very different claim. I have no idea whether the JREF allows people to re-apply with a different claim, but if they do then I would be happy to help design and run that test as well.
best wishes
richard
May 25, 2009 at 5:16 pm
You stated and signed a document before the test that the test was fair; you were not coerced into signing and the test was arranged within your own claims of ability.
It was agreed what would consitute a pass and what would constitute a fail well before the test; the fact that you decided after the end of the test that you had in fact passed, based on a suprious and post hoc rationalisation, means absolutely nothing – you still failed the test as originally set.
If you think the test was unfair and one-sided, you should have brought this up before you signed the agreement.
Oh, science and mediums are not necessarily diametrically opposed, but as long as mediums continue to offer no proper evidence for their alleged powers, then science cannot take your anecdotes as evidence, no matter how long you have been reading for people.
May 29, 2009 at 3:01 am
Over the years that I have done this work numerous people have visited me both men and women over the ages of eighteen and covering all nationalities and Faiths. Never once have I had the words con artist or liar levelled at me
I’m sure you’re not a con artist or liar; the words imply conscious deception, and I have little doubt that you honestly believe you have this “Gift”.
The question I have is: what would it take to convince you that your belief is incorrect? And would you want to find out?
May 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm |
Patricia, are you familiar with the concept of Barnum Statements? You are claiming 10 out of 10 because all of the girls accepted ONE of the readings, even though it was the wrong one. There is a simple explanation for that, I recommend Google.
May 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
Sorry Patricia, invoking a verse from the bible gets you no credit whatsoever!
You said: “Take me somewhere I have never been to before…” And whose word do we take for that? Yours? Don’t you have even one ounce of understanding about personal bias? Understand that one concept (OK, that and the Barnum effect) and you will understand exactly why such great care is needed to do PROPER scientific experiments.
You did a scientific trial – after agreeing to the exact protocol – and you completely lost. You didn’t even come close, so I don’t see why anyone should waste any more time.
May 25, 2009 at 4:49 pm |
It sounds like another case of special pleading. If she was predisposed to the notion that it was favoring the JREF, why did she bother.
May 25, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
“…did so with both eyes open knowing that the protocols would be completely one sided in favour of JREF, and so it was”
Patricia, can I just ask why you did not raise any concerns whatsoever about the protocol in the beggining if you thought it was biased against you?
In fact you have signed this:
“I, the undersigned, agree to all terms and conditions listed in this document outlining the protocol for my preliminary test in the James Randi Educational Foundation’s One Million Dollar Challenge. I agree that the protocol outline describes a fair test of my claimed ability.
I do not believe the James Randi Educational Foundation, nor the individuals chosen by the James Randi Educational Foundation to conduct this test, will intentionally cause my failure through either intended or unintended means.
In the event that I do not pass this test, I will hold neither the James Randi Educational Foundation nor the individuals testing my ability responsible, and understand that in the event of failure I am permitted to re-submit my claim and application one year from the date of the test.”
And may I add that all 10 participants chose a reading because they were instructed to do so (this was in the protocol), therefore the fact that they all chose one out of ten that they could more or less apply to themselves, only demonstrates an example of the so-called Barnum effect.
If they actually recognized themselves in the readings, at least some of them would have chosen the correct reading given by you.
May 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm |
Hi Pat,
Just for the record: Richard and Panka are absolutely right in pointing out that the protocol REQUIRED volunteers to choose the reading that they felt was most applicable to them. That does not mean they felt the reading they chose was an accurate description, it just means it was the least inaccurate. Informal discussion with the volunteers afterwards generally gave me the impression that they did not find any of the readings to be good descriptions of their lives and personalities but we did not collect ratings systematically. We could do so if you would like us to but I doubt that you would change your views about the test even if all volunteers stated that they were unimpressed. It’s your call though.
As I’ve already told you, I’m willing to be involved in a retest of your claims if JREF are willing to approve such a retest and a suitable protocol can be worked out in cooperation with you.
Best wishes,
Chris
May 26, 2009 at 1:15 am |
Careful when you cite the Bible in support of mediums…
Leviticus 19:31
Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
1 Chronicles 10:13
So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the LORD, because he did not keep the word of the LORD, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance.
May 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm |
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May 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm |
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May 27, 2009 at 12:06 am |
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May 27, 2009 at 1:52 am |
“I realised that every girl had accepted each and every message that I had written down not one had been discarded, not one thrown away each and every one of the ten girls had gone away with something to me this makes a total of 10 out of 10.”
Hi Patricia,
I know how you feel. I once failed a maths test and yet, when I compared my answers with those the teacher had, I could see that my answers contained all the same numbers, just in sightly different places.
I gave myself 100% for that and every subsequent test but I was never able to convince the closed-minded teacher of my astounding mathematical abilities.
They just refuse to see reality.
May 27, 2009 at 3:10 am
ROFLMAO
May 27, 2009 at 2:39 am |
I posted this at Bad Astronomy but I’ll repost here since this is where I am most likely to get an informed reply.
It’s not particulary clear from her response, but is she claiming that each of the 10 women chose a different reading from the other? If that is the case (which I am almost certain it isn’t), and each woman was given the full 10 to choose from, then I’ll admit it is an interesting result.
My probability theory isn’t quite up to scratch but I put the probability of that happening through random chance at:
10! / (10^10) = 0.00036288
Corrections appreciated if I got that wrong.
May 27, 2009 at 8:07 am |
I predicted this very eventuality in the JREF blog.
Vis: that Ms. Putt would morph from a cheerful, eloquent, intelligent and co-operative ‘good egg’, into a pleading and pathetic whinger**, and that her clear, abject and total failure MUST be blamed on anyone or anything but herself, or that she by malign fiat change the definition of success so that it accords with her profoundly wishful thinking.
(And that said metamorphosis would be rapid, as is the case with every dowser, doodlebugger or water-witcher to date.)
The mindset that ‘allows’ one to ignore the reality of one’s prior written contractual agreements in favour of a transparently juvenile but bizarrely creative re-interpretation of plain English, is the same mind-set that engenders the delusion that physical reality exclusively does not apply to one’s-self, and hence the ignorant ‘magical’ approach to life, and the semi-infantile special pleading that occurs as a post hoc excuse.
Colour me ‘unsurprised’.
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** This is being as charitable as I am able, given that I care passionately about truth and reality.
May 27, 2009 at 9:18 am |
Bashing intellectuals, how nice. Ever heard the saying ‘a mind is like a parachute — it only works when open’? It applies to both sides of the equation. If skeptics are to keep an open mind towards the possibility of supernatural forces existing (as proper skeptics can and must do), then equally, believers are to keep an open mind towards their claims being wrong.
I understand it’s a matter of pride, and the longer you believe something, the harder it is to turn your back on it, as you’d be proving yourself wrong and admitting you’d acted on flawed beliefs for half your life. Yet the other route, laying the blame on anyone but yourself, does not inspire much respect, either.
I would love it if anybody could show me conclusive proof of psychic phenomena, of genuine magic and the like. I’d be the first to cheer them on — IF they proved to be able to do what they claim they can do under test conditions. It’s easy to fool oneself. I once believed I had psionic powers, when in fact I was unknowingly cold-reading my ’subjects’. Scientific testing excludes that possibility.
Keep an open mind and look at the results… I don’t see how they could be biased, frankly.
May 28, 2009 at 9:37 am
Equally Berber Anna, I have never witnessed a murder nor have I seen a rare bird, yet murders occur & are witnessed by others and rare birds are spotted by some bird watchers. The paranormal phenomenon truely exists and this includes the supernatural – as I have experienced/witnessed this phenomenon. Yet, I truely understand your reluctance and that of the skeptics to accept the existance of a parallel world of beings invisible to most of us natural living human beings. I keep an open mind on most subjects because I was branded a ‘doubting Thomas’ in my youth – at one time. Having said that, I have to say I find fortune telling and the activities of mediums quite unsavoury, yet this is an interesting and mysterious world, where there are so many possabilites which afford every individual to freely persue any activity from astronomy, astrology etc etc, this is part of lifes journey in this physical tangible world – so don’t knock the mediums and my advice to skeptics and scientists – in time you will end up with egg on your faces.
May 28, 2009 at 9:43 am
By the way Berber Anna, I am NOT Patricia Putt, we only share the same christian name.
May 30, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Yet if a person lies dead in the street and somebody screams murder, the law must never assume a murder has actually occurred. Physical evidence has to show that it actually was a murder and that the suspect actually committed said murder, lest an innocent person be convicted of a crime.
If a birdwatcher claims to have discovered a new species, photographic evidence (at the very least) will be necessary to publish this discovery.
Equally, if someone tells me they can read people’s minds, I will be glad to see them tested under circumstances that prevent hot/cold reading or confirmation bias (as well as other ways of cheating, conscious or unconscious), and if they still show evidence of this skill, I will be happy to hear about this amazing discovery — but only in the face of reliable evidence, not hearsay.
Note that I never said I needed to see it for myself. I just need reliable evidence. I never saw Mars up close, but NASA has published photographs of its surface, so I can say I know what Mars looks like. On the other hand, I have never seen a Martian, AND I have never seen evidence of their existence, so for now, I act as though they do not exist. Should someone provide me with evidence that they do, I will gladly change my mind.
I do in fact ‘knock’ professional mediums, but only because they profit from people in a fragile state of mind. Taking money from those in pain and providing them only with false hope is despicable. Astrologers, fortune tellers and so on — the ‘entertainment’ side of supernaturalists — can do as they please, but I’m not going to pretend to believe in what they do, just to be polite.
Skeptics and scientists aren’t the close-minded ones. A true skeptic, a true scientist will have no bias, but will be happy to adjust their views based on evidence. It’s the people that should produce this evidence that keep dragging their feet…
May 27, 2009 at 3:03 pm |
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May 31, 2009 at 12:19 pm |
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June 3, 2009 at 12:48 am |
Patricia Putt, thanks for taking the test but I’m afraid it shows that you are not psychic. Any accuracy you claim from doing readings under less controlled circumstances (where you can see the participants’ faces, expressions, clothes, body language etc and interact back and forth with the person) are due to your skills at observing the person, not some mystical Spirit moving around.
June 3, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
Patricia,
You had nothing to gain by selflessly submitting yourself to this test. Some people are scpetics and will never believe in the Gift. Imagine, in this flawed test, that the opposite result had happened – then everybody would be saying that you had gotten lucky and beaten the laws of probability.
Well done you anyway, I support you in your efforts and I think we both know that Psychics have a power, even if ’science’ thinks it’s impossible.
June 6, 2009 at 3:01 pm
No, had the opposite result happened, she’d have gone on to the actual Million Dollar Challenge test (this being the preliminary test). Having two tests is a nice safeguard against people ‘getting lucky’.
June 3, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
Psychic Chatrooms: Can you tell us what the flaws were in the test?
July 12, 2009 at 12:02 am |
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August 11, 2009 at 5:32 pm |
so what happened in the end?
November 5, 2009 at 6:49 am |
The million dollars is and will be forever safe. It’s set up to remain safe. Especially with the likes of the always obnoxious Penn watching over it — and changing the rules!!!
November 5, 2009 at 7:10 pm |
Excuse my naivety but have you not confused physic ability with mediumship? I always thought they were two entirely diferent things. I thought a Physic was one who could get information from the etha or aura and a medium was one who could interpet messages from those who have passed from this world to the next.
In have met some people with great psychic ability but very little mediumistic skills and some great mediums who fail miserably when it comes to psychic exercises. Gordon Smith has done some great experimental work with various universities. It may be worth checking the evidence before stating categorically that the earth is flat, man will never fly, Man will never set foot on the moon, etc. etc.
And if I put up a million Dollars I didn’t have I too would make sure that no one could pass my test. Or am I just being synical?